[RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata Airport

[Gordon Soderberg]

Regulating employers and to provide workers the right to strike,  
preventing child labor abuses, creating publicly funded education,  
initiating the clean air and waters acts, civil rights and fare  
housing are all examples of how government regulations created  
solutions to terrible injustices that corporations and individuals  
used to make money at the cost of lives and rights of citizens.  
Regulating is bad when it harms the citizen not when it prevents harm  
to a citizen. By the way, Corporations don't have birth certificates  
or green cards therefore their rights should never be confused with  
those of a citizen!

To be blunt, I didn't , nor has anyone else in America joined the  
military to defend a corporation's rights.

Gordon Soderberg

On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Bob Peterson wrote:

> At the risk of further politicizing a thread that's already too  
> political, I
> feel compelled to contrast the two distinct types of thinking  
> presented to
> us here. On  one side we're presented with rational, evidence-based  
> critical
> thinking by energy and transportation experts. The other side relies  
> on an
> almost evangelical faith in the unregulated market forces that have  
> given us
> the recent disasters in the energy, health care and banking sectors,  
> all of
> which pose a greater danger to the US, indeed to the world economies  
> than
> would a little minimization, regulation and conservation.
>
> Regards, Bob Peterson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arkley, Rob" <RArkley at snsc.com>
> To: "Michael Welch" <mwelch at redwoodalliance.org>; <list at redwoodtech.org 
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata  
> Airport
>
>
>> Dear Michael,
>>   Good Lord.  You are grim.  Things will work out.  Sustainable
>> solutions will happen when, and if, we create the incentives to find
>> them.  Regulations will never create solutions.  You seem to like
>> minimization, regulation and conservation.  Those are all well and  
>> good,
>> but you can't shrink, conserve and regulate your way out of these
>> issues.  Freedom will create the solutions.
>>   Man can and will be great.  Keep the faith.
>>
>>
>>
>>                        Vty,
>>
>>
>>
>>                        Rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: list-bounces at redwoodtech.org [mailto:list-bounces at redwoodtech.org 
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Michael Welch
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:40 AM
>> To: list at redwoodtech.org
>> Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
>> Airport
>>
>> Hi John. I just got new computer technology from Renaissance, which
>> significantly lowered the amount of energy my office consumes.
>>
>> But please note that my entire office is run by photovoltaic  
>> modules, so
>> while it behooves me to save energy wherever I can, we are making  
>> more
>> energy than we consume.
>>
>> The solutions are energy efficiency, energy conservation, and  
>> renewable
>> energy.
>>
>> Again, we have to figure out how to make human existence on Earth
>> sustainable, or the humanity is SOL.
>>
>> John Yolton wrote at 09:00 AM 12/19/2007:
>>
>>> Among the report's more shocking statistics: A medium-sized server  
>>> has
>> a similar carbon footprint to an SUV achieving 15 miles to the  
>> gallon."
>>>
>>> http://www.globalactionplan.org.uk/event_detail.aspx?eid=2696e0e0-28fe-
>>> 4121-bd36-3670c02eda49
>>>
>>> I am not willing to give up my computer yet either, are you?
>>>
>>> I guess the solutions are teleportation and telepathy.
>>
>>
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