[RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata Airport

[Arkley, Rob]

Dear Bob,
    Please don't get so personal.  That is not nice.  If you want to
have a rational and civil debate, I can do that. 
    There are many approaches.  You seem wedded to one and completely
intolerant of any other.  An exchange of ideas is healthy, at least to
me.
    Can we agree that we need Delta and redundant fiber?



                        Vty,



                        Rob   

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Peterson [mailto:bobandlinda at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:12 PM
To: Arkley, Rob; Michael Welch; list at redwoodtech.org
Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
Airport

At the risk of further politicizing a thread that's already too
political, I feel compelled to contrast the two distinct types of
thinking presented to us here. On  one side we're presented with
rational, evidence-based critical thinking by energy and transportation
experts. The other side relies on an almost evangelical faith in the
unregulated market forces that have given us the recent disasters in the
energy, health care and banking sectors, all of which pose a greater
danger to the US, indeed to the world economies than would a little
minimization, regulation and conservation.

Regards, Bob Peterson


----- Original Message -----
From: "Arkley, Rob" <RArkley at snsc.com>
To: "Michael Welch" <mwelch at redwoodalliance.org>; <list at redwoodtech.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
Airport


> Dear Michael,
>    Good Lord.  You are grim.  Things will work out.  Sustainable
> solutions will happen when, and if, we create the incentives to find
> them.  Regulations will never create solutions.  You seem to like
> minimization, regulation and conservation.  Those are all well and
good,
> but you can't shrink, conserve and regulate your way out of these
> issues.  Freedom will create the solutions.
>    Man can and will be great.  Keep the faith.
>
>
>
>                         Vty,
>
>
>
>                         Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at redwoodtech.org
[mailto:list-bounces at redwoodtech.org]
> On Behalf Of Michael Welch
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:40 AM
> To: list at redwoodtech.org
> Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
> Airport
>
> Hi John. I just got new computer technology from Renaissance, which
> significantly lowered the amount of energy my office consumes.
>
> But please note that my entire office is run by photovoltaic modules,
so
> while it behooves me to save energy wherever I can, we are making more
> energy than we consume.
>
> The solutions are energy efficiency, energy conservation, and
renewable
> energy.
>
> Again, we have to figure out how to make human existence on Earth
> sustainable, or the humanity is SOL.
>
> John Yolton wrote at 09:00 AM 12/19/2007:
>
>>Among the report's more shocking statistics: A medium-sized server has
> a similar carbon footprint to an SUV achieving 15 miles to the
gallon."
>>
>>http://www.globalactionplan.org.uk/event_detail.aspx?eid=2696e0e0-28fe
-
>>4121-bd36-3670c02eda49
>>
>>I am not willing to give up my computer yet either, are you?
>>
>>I guess the solutions are teleportation and telepathy.
>
>
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