[RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata Airport
Arkley, Rob
RArkley at snsc.com
Wed Dec 19 14:09:07 PST 2007
Dear Gordon,
Be careful of taking a few select examples of regulation, most of
which happened a couple of generations ago, and using them as examples
of justification for regulation. I am amused that you use public
education as a good regulation. Talk about a massive and colossal
failure.
Your corporate argument is a non-sequitur. From a legal standpoint,
corporations are recognized persons and do have "birth certificates" in
the forms of articles of incorporation and actually need a "green card"
equivalent to do business in each state. I see where you are going, but
this is not the place.
Lastly, I fail to see how we went from Delta coming to Eureka to
war.
Let's get back to center. Can we agree that we would like Delta to
come here and that we need redundant fiber? How do we all work together
to accomplish these goals?
Vty,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Soderberg [mailto:gordonsoderberg at mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:43 PM
To: Bob Peterson
Cc: Arkley, Rob; Michael Welch; list at redwoodtech.org
Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
Airport
Regulating employers and to provide workers the right to strike,
preventing child labor abuses, creating publicly funded education,
initiating the clean air and waters acts, civil rights and fare housing
are all examples of how government regulations created solutions to
terrible injustices that corporations and individuals used to make money
at the cost of lives and rights of citizens.
Regulating is bad when it harms the citizen not when it prevents harm to
a citizen. By the way, Corporations don't have birth certificates or
green cards therefore their rights should never be confused with those
of a citizen!
To be blunt, I didn't , nor has anyone else in America joined the
military to defend a corporation's rights.
Gordon Soderberg
On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Bob Peterson wrote:
> At the risk of further politicizing a thread that's already too
> political, I feel compelled to contrast the two distinct types of
> thinking presented to us here. On one side we're presented with
> rational, evidence-based critical thinking by energy and
> transportation experts. The other side relies on an almost evangelical
> faith in the unregulated market forces that have given us the recent
> disasters in the energy, health care and banking sectors, all of which
> pose a greater danger to the US, indeed to the world economies than
> would a little minimization, regulation and conservation.
>
> Regards, Bob Peterson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arkley, Rob" <RArkley at snsc.com>
> To: "Michael Welch" <mwelch at redwoodalliance.org>;
> <list at redwoodtech.org
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
> Airport
>
>
>> Dear Michael,
>> Good Lord. You are grim. Things will work out. Sustainable
>> solutions will happen when, and if, we create the incentives to find
>> them. Regulations will never create solutions. You seem to like
>> minimization, regulation and conservation. Those are all well and
>> good, but you can't shrink, conserve and regulate your way out of
>> these issues. Freedom will create the solutions.
>> Man can and will be great. Keep the faith.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vty,
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: list-bounces at redwoodtech.org
>> [mailto:list-bounces at redwoodtech.org
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Michael Welch
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:40 AM
>> To: list at redwoodtech.org
>> Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
>> Airport
>>
>> Hi John. I just got new computer technology from Renaissance, which
>> significantly lowered the amount of energy my office consumes.
>>
>> But please note that my entire office is run by photovoltaic modules,
>> so while it behooves me to save energy wherever I can, we are making
>> more energy than we consume.
>>
>> The solutions are energy efficiency, energy conservation, and
>> renewable energy.
>>
>> Again, we have to figure out how to make human existence on Earth
>> sustainable, or the humanity is SOL.
>>
>> John Yolton wrote at 09:00 AM 12/19/2007:
>>
>>> Among the report's more shocking statistics: A medium-sized server
>>> has
>> a similar carbon footprint to an SUV achieving 15 miles to the
>> gallon."
>>>
>>> http://www.globalactionplan.org.uk/event_detail.aspx?eid=2696e0e0-28
>>> fe-
>>> 4121-bd36-3670c02eda49
>>>
>>> I am not willing to give up my computer yet either, are you?
>>>
>>> I guess the solutions are teleportation and telepathy.
>>
>>
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