[RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata Airport
Gordon Soderberg
gordonsoderberg at mac.com
Wed Dec 19 15:23:41 PST 2007
Dear Rob,
Those few examples that happened a couple of generations ago have been
slowly eroded away by big business, the privately educated elite,
radically religious, and bigoted interests since their enactment. The
more recent laws providing corporate citizenship have only worsened
the situation for most Americans. As for how long ago these acts of
regulation were put in place being relevant, I guess your opinion Rob,
would be that the US Constitution, Bill of Rights and magna carta of
1297 are out dated too? Wait a minute... IRONY ALERT: co-founder of
Carlyle Group Buys Magna Carta. I guess it is just a matter of time
before the constitution and bill of rights go up for sale at Sotheby's
auction too. Or have they and we the people, already been sold to the
highest bidder?
DOE = Massive colossal failure? More like, an intended abdication of
responsibilities. If you asked me, I would add FCC, FAA, FEMA, DOJ,
DOD, Homeland Security, and Army Corps of engineers to that list as
well. Why? Because big business thinks it can be the answer to the
failure of government funded services. However, they, ( Big Business)
have funded the elections of both parties that put their people in
place to act on their behalf and not in the best interests of all
Americans. The revolving door between national public service and big
private enterprise has been going here on as long and there was an
American flag flying over indigenous lands. Not that it did the
indians or the general population any good except for those few
examples I mentioned in the previous post. Well we could add seat
belts, airbags, drunk driving laws, and maybe a few others that
business fought against. The point is, Business interests are not the
panacea, they are only profit orientated and will always act
accordingly. The problem is the perception of profit. Dose the country
as a whole profit when everyone has access to a decent education and
equal rights? I think we could all answer yes to that but some of us
might be lying. Dose the country as a whole profit when wars are waged
to benefit a few multinational corporations with what appears to be a
global citizenship (using Rob's definition). My answer would be no.
I don't give a rats ass who or how many companies provide air travel
to Northern California as long as the government eventually
makes....oops, sorry, (regulates them) to fly with 100% biodiesel in
their tanks. Yes, it is possible to fly a jet with biodiesel and it
will reduce co2 emissions greatly. It would be another more recent use
of governmental powers to improve the situation for the planet rather
than making exceptions for a few corporations to make huge amounts of
money at the expense of human health, civil rights and their pursuit
of happiness and a decent education.
It is incredible what some people think is the center these days. I
did I mention the war again..... Sorry, But we are all in it and we
all pay the price for it, just some more than others..... The
American Way and Good For Business Right?
Gordon Soderberg
Making a living without having to making a killing and loving it!
On Dec 19, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Arkley, Rob wrote:
> Dear Gordon,
> Be careful of taking a few select examples of regulation, most of
> which happened a couple of generations ago, and using them as examples
> of justification for regulation. I am amused that you use public
> education as a good regulation. Talk about a massive and colossal
> failure.
> Your corporate argument is a non-sequitur. From a legal
> standpoint,
> corporations are recognized persons and do have "birth certificates"
> in
> the forms of articles of incorporation and actually need a "green
> card"
> equivalent to do business in each state. I see where you are going,
> but
> this is not the place.
> Lastly, I fail to see how we went from Delta coming to Eureka to
> war.
> Let's get back to center. Can we agree that we would like Delta to
> come here and that we need redundant fiber? How do we all work
> together
> to accomplish these goals?
>
>
>
> Vty,
>
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Soderberg [mailto:gordonsoderberg at mac.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:43 PM
> To: Bob Peterson
> Cc: Arkley, Rob; Michael Welch; list at redwoodtech.org
> Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
> Airport
>
> Regulating employers and to provide workers the right to strike,
> preventing child labor abuses, creating publicly funded education,
> initiating the clean air and waters acts, civil rights and fare
> housing
> are all examples of how government regulations created solutions to
> terrible injustices that corporations and individuals used to make
> money
> at the cost of lives and rights of citizens.
> Regulating is bad when it harms the citizen not when it prevents
> harm to
> a citizen. By the way, Corporations don't have birth certificates or
> green cards therefore their rights should never be confused with those
> of a citizen!
>
> To be blunt, I didn't , nor has anyone else in America joined the
> military to defend a corporation's rights.
>
> Gordon Soderberg
>
> On Dec 19, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Bob Peterson wrote:
>
>> At the risk of further politicizing a thread that's already too
>> political, I feel compelled to contrast the two distinct types of
>> thinking presented to us here. On one side we're presented with
>> rational, evidence-based critical thinking by energy and
>> transportation experts. The other side relies on an almost
>> evangelical
>
>> faith in the unregulated market forces that have given us the recent
>> disasters in the energy, health care and banking sectors, all of
>> which
>
>> pose a greater danger to the US, indeed to the world economies than
>> would a little minimization, regulation and conservation.
>>
>> Regards, Bob Peterson
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arkley, Rob" <RArkley at snsc.com>
>> To: "Michael Welch" <mwelch at redwoodalliance.org>;
>> <list at redwoodtech.org
>>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
>> Airport
>>
>>
>>> Dear Michael,
>>> Good Lord. You are grim. Things will work out. Sustainable
>>> solutions will happen when, and if, we create the incentives to find
>>> them. Regulations will never create solutions. You seem to like
>>> minimization, regulation and conservation. Those are all well and
>>> good, but you can't shrink, conserve and regulate your way out of
>>> these issues. Freedom will create the solutions.
>>> Man can and will be great. Keep the faith.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Vty,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: list-bounces at redwoodtech.org
>>> [mailto:list-bounces at redwoodtech.org
>>> ]
>>> On Behalf Of Michael Welch
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:40 AM
>>> To: list at redwoodtech.org
>>> Subject: Re: [RTC List] Bringing Delta Airlines to the Eureka/Arcata
>>> Airport
>>>
>>> Hi John. I just got new computer technology from Renaissance, which
>>> significantly lowered the amount of energy my office consumes.
>>>
>>> But please note that my entire office is run by photovoltaic
>>> modules,
>
>>> so while it behooves me to save energy wherever I can, we are making
>>> more energy than we consume.
>>>
>>> The solutions are energy efficiency, energy conservation, and
>>> renewable energy.
>>>
>>> Again, we have to figure out how to make human existence on Earth
>>> sustainable, or the humanity is SOL.
>>>
>>> John Yolton wrote at 09:00 AM 12/19/2007:
>>>
>>>> Among the report's more shocking statistics: A medium-sized server
>>>> has
>>> a similar carbon footprint to an SUV achieving 15 miles to the
>>> gallon."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.globalactionplan.org.uk/event_detail.aspx?
>>>> eid=2696e0e0-28
>>>> fe-
>>>> 4121-bd36-3670c02eda49
>>>>
>>>> I am not willing to give up my computer yet either, are you?
>>>>
>>>> I guess the solutions are teleportation and telepathy.
>>>
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