[RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?
Gordon Soderberg
gordonsoderberg at mac.com
Fri Oct 12 10:05:08 PDT 2007
The situation in coastal Northern California calls for a second fiber
optic line. The closets is on I - 5. The faster and cheeper way to
get to it is from HWY 36, not HWY 299.
Gordon
P.S. I'm still clearing lots in New Orleans Lower Ninth Ward. Check
out http://www.bioliberty.net. We started building a demonstration
Eco-Village on Bayou Liberty just outside of Slidell, LA.
On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Keri Raphael wrote:
> Rob -
> This would certainly be something your clout would enhance. RTC
> has been tooting this horn for quite a while and can only hope that
> this last outage will make something happen.
> There is hi-speed internet in Willow Creek and Weaverville, but I
> don't know if it picks up again until Redding. Sending fiber east
> would certainly do well to link many rural communities and provide
> the redundancy that we need to support the cable we have here.
> Keri Raphael
>
>
> "Arkley, Rob" <RArkley at snsc.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
> This outage was a disaster for SN. We lost a day. The supes
> are able to change TPZ zoning in a weekend, yet they do NOTHING on
> this. I don't get it.
> I hate litigation against big companies/quasi-governmental
> entities on novel theories. I seriously doubt if they have any
> liability.
> Can't we get somebody with reason to listen to us and just fix
> this? It is a no-brainer. What about just forming a group and
> doing it ourselves?
> Shirley, what is happening with our consultant? We paid her
> and don't have squat to show. Ask for her to complete her job or
> get our money back. I will sue her.
>
>
>
> vty,
>
>
>
> Rob
>
> From: Jonathan Speaker [mailto:jspeaker at streamguys.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:20 AM
> To: CrawfordCA at aol.com; list at redwoodtech.org
> Subject: RE: [RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?
>
> Welly welly welly well Chris if you want to get serious, then I
> would suggest a lawsuit. I would agree with the googled list and
> the gripes that those of us have no other option to do. Take the
> 500,000 dollars that was just awarded to the RTC/HAF and hire some
> lawyers.. havent we done enough studies?
>
> Sue our area providers for failure to deliver a product and
> redundancy, sue for lost revenue - sean makes excellent points- ,
> sue for failure to provide emergency back up, and sue the companies
> that keep cutting our fibre lines with the back hoes, sue caltrans
> for hiring those contractors...and sue the county for failure to
> support a critical infrastructure and sitting on their collective
> arses.
>
> we could be the first rural county to sue for access and emergency
> connectivity.
>
> how about slapping the county commissioners around or local
> representatives, who troll this list, to make them understand fibre
> is the same as bridges and roads, seaports and airports...
>
> ...otherwise, you can put together another 'write letters to the
> editor, call your local reps, and continue this cry of outrage'
>
> As for those that NEED to continue to do business in this
> situation, the stop gaps are whats going to keep those of us doing
> business, doing business. since we need to keep working regardless
> of the infrastructure the county and providers are not providing
> for us. And get yourself a generator folks.
>
> if I had a better knowledge of the legal system (which seems to be
> one of your core competencies) this is a path I would evaluate, any
> attorneys out there?
>
> -jonathan
>
> ------
>
> Admittedly, I'm rather a "lurker" on this list . . . . but I am
> damned glad that THIS ONE really seems to have everyone's dander up.
>
> 99% of my clients are out of the area, so I definitely got hurt
> today . . . . but I think one subject that really deserves
> attention in a big way that isn't getting it is the inability to
> process credit/debit card transactions when this happens.
>
> There are many ramifications here, and they are probably larger
> than the loses those of us who depend upon the Internet ( not to
> mention long distance phone & cell ) to operate have incurred --
> what of all of the businesses locally who can't do sales because
> folks can't use their "electric money"?
>
> For example, how much did Humboldt Merchant Services lose today
> over local businesses not being able to process?
>
> How much did big boxes like Target, KMart, & Costco Wholesale lose?
> Did Verizon and Sprint lose money because folks couldn't go over
> their allotted hours this month or rack up "per use" charges, etc.?
> Shouldn't they be interested in throwing some of their weight in on
> this?
>
> Frankly, my wife and I have become so accustomed to this that we
> don't even bother to go to the bank or the grocery store or
> anywhere else when this happens. Of course, much of this will be
> made up for tomorrow, but how much won't be? For example, we won't
> be going to the grocery store tomorrow to buy what we were going to
> by, because we just dug into the freeze and the cupboards to find
> something. Business lost for a grocer there.
>
> And what about those deadliners out there who meant to pay some
> bill online on time today, but couldn't and now got smacked with a
> late fee? Those late fees also must trickle out of spending that
> would contribute to this economy locally.
>
> Did local "day traders" lose money or fail to make money because
> they couldn't trade? Even in a county this size, there must be some
> losses here to the local economy.
>
> Any real estate deals didn't close today?
>
> Has anyone on this list lost a prospect or a client because of
> these issues? Probably not a major issue here, but every dollar
> lost here is a dollar not working for this local economy.
>
> The issues here are MUCH larger than the techie/IT interests of the
> RTC, really; they probably concern most of all of the businesses
> and business in this area.
>
> As for me, fortunately I run a "virtual" office, and I'm the only
> one stuck in these situations, so it's not like my whole business
> is stopped because of it . . . . but, even just these 4 days of cut
> fiber issues since last Christmas are enough to make me relocate to
> Portland. I can't take it any more. I'm sure there are others who
> are seriously weighing whether they should hang in there and wait,
> or relocate to somewhere with redundancy. In all honestly, this
> isn't the only reason I'm relocating ( air faire would be another
> major issue, as well as opportunities for my wife who can't find
> much in the way of that here ), but this issue has to have folks
> thinking about whether they really want to relocate TO here ( as we
> did several years ago ) or about whether they want to relocate FROM
> here ( as we are doing now ). None of this could be at all good for
> the local economy.
>
> It saddens me because I came here with an ethic of bringing money
> INTO this economy form outside, but now I'm just going to have to
> take that to Portland. But before I go, I'm completely on board
> with any serious measures to put pressure on ANY of the "powers
> that be" to rally absolutely everyone to the cause of getting some
> redundancy up in here ( and I really think we need to "think
> outside the box" in terms of getting folks who aren't as Internet-
> dependent as we all are to see how it is affecting them and get
> them on board with the cause ).
>
> All the best,
>
> -- Sean
>
>
> From: list-bounces at redwoodtech.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at redwoodtech.org] On Behalf Of CrawfordCA at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:04 PM
> To: list at redwoodtech.org
> Subject: Re: [RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?
>
> The fiber connection was lost today. The airport (where I was
> flying out to Baltimore) was issuing hand written boarding passes
> and luggage routing slips. Cell phones couldn't reach outside the
> area and most lines when I tried to call in from SFO connect to a
> recording announcing "technical difficulties." Oddly, one or two
> lines into the area actually worked.
>
> Let's use this as a rallying cry to accelerate redundant fiber.
> This is NOT an option. Hughstat, satellite, dial-up and other back-
> ups cannot sustain the whole community. This is serious stuff.
> Thank goodness the airport learned a few manual workarounds this
> time or else connection to air traffic and weather would have
> grounded all flights. Our hospitals, first responders and a lot
> more rely on connectivity to operate.
>
> Let's "git 'er done."
>
> Chris Crawford
> www.justiceserved.com
>
>
> ``````````````````````````````````
> In a message dated 10/9/2007 1:27:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> jspeaker at streamguys.com writes:
> Hughsat is keeping our team working. Strongly suggest it as a
> stopgap for
> those companies that need to stay up for their clients outside the
> area, or
> here locally.
>
> -jonathan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at redwoodtech.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at redwoodtech.org] On
> Behalf Of Jim Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:11 PM
> To: List at redwoodtech.org
> Subject: [RTC List] AT&T DSL Outage?
>
> AT&T DSL service has been out in Cutten since approximately 9 a.m.
> this morning. I'm using AT&T's backup dialup service to post this,
> so POTS
> is still working. Anyone else lose DSL this morning?
>
> Jim Scott
>
>
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