[RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?
Arkley, Rob
RArkley at snsc.com
Fri Oct 12 10:30:17 PDT 2007
Dear Gordon,
How big is your project in Slidell? That is an interesting area.
Keep clearing lots in the 9th Ward. It is going to have to be torn
down before it can be fixed.
vty,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Soderberg [mailto:gordonsoderberg at mac.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:05 AM
To: Keri Raphael
Cc: Arkley, Rob; Jonathan Speaker; CrawfordCA at aol.com;
list at redwoodtech.org; Fuller, Shirley
Subject: Re: [RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?
The situation in coastal Northern California calls for a second
fiber optic line. The closets is on I - 5. The faster and cheeper way to
get to it is from HWY 36, not HWY 299.
Gordon
P.S. I'm still clearing lots in New Orleans Lower Ninth Ward.
Check out http://www.bioliberty.net. We started building a demonstration
Eco-Village on Bayou Liberty just outside of Slidell, LA.
On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Keri Raphael wrote:
Rob -
This would certainly be something your clout would
enhance. RTC has been tooting this horn for quite a while and can only
hope that this last outage will make something happen.
There is hi-speed internet in Willow Creek and
Weaverville, but I don't know if it picks up again until Redding.
Sending fiber east would certainly do well to link many rural
communities and provide the redundancy that we need to support the cable
we have here.
Keri Raphael
"Arkley, Rob" <RArkley at snsc.com> wrote:
Dear All,
This outage was a disaster for SN. We lost
a day. The supes are able to change TPZ zoning in a weekend, yet they
do NOTHING on this. I don't get it.
I hate litigation against big
companies/quasi-governmental entities on novel theories. I seriously
doubt if they have any liability.
Can't we get somebody with reason to listen
to us and just fix this? It is a no-brainer. What about just forming a
group and doing it ourselves?
Shirley, what is happening with our
consultant? We paid her and don't have squat to show. Ask for her to
complete her job or get our money back. I will sue her.
vty,
Rob
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From: Jonathan Speaker
[mailto:jspeaker at streamguys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:20 AM
To: CrawfordCA at aol.com; list at redwoodtech.org
Subject: RE: [RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?
Welly welly welly well Chris if you want to get
serious, then I would suggest a lawsuit. I would agree with the googled
list and the gripes that those of us have no other option to do. Take
the 500,000 dollars that was just awarded to the RTC/HAF and hire some
lawyers.. havent we done enough studies?
Sue our area providers for failure to deliver a
product and redundancy, sue for lost revenue - sean makes excellent
points- , sue for failure to provide emergency back up, and sue the
companies that keep cutting our fibre lines with the back hoes, sue
caltrans for hiring those contractors...and sue the county for failure
to support a critical infrastructure and sitting on their collective
arses.
we could be the first rural county to sue for
access and emergency connectivity.
how about slapping the county commissioners
around or local representatives, who troll this list, to make them
understand fibre is the same as bridges and roads, seaports and
airports...
...otherwise, you can put together another
'write letters to the editor, call your local reps, and continue this
cry of outrage'
As for those that NEED to continue to do
business in this situation, the stop gaps are whats going to keep those
of us doing business, doing business. since we need to keep working
regardless of the infrastructure the county and providers are not
providing for us. And get yourself a generator folks.
if I had a better knowledge of the legal system
(which seems to be one of your core competencies) this is a path I would
evaluate, any attorneys out there?
-jonathan
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Admittedly, I'm rather a "lurker" on this list .
. . . but I am damned glad that THIS ONE really seems to have everyone's
dander up.
99% of my clients are out of the area, so I
definitely got hurt today . . . . but I think one subject that really
deserves attention in a big way that isn't getting it is the inability
to process credit/debit card transactions when this happens.
There are many ramifications here, and they are
probably larger than the loses those of us who depend upon the Internet
( not to mention long distance phone & cell ) to operate have incurred
-- what of all of the businesses locally who can't do sales because
folks can't use their "electric money"?
For example, how much did Humboldt Merchant
Services lose today over local businesses not being able to process?
How much did big boxes like Target, KMart, &
Costco Wholesale lose? Did Verizon and Sprint lose money because folks
couldn't go over their allotted hours this month or rack up "per use"
charges, etc.? Shouldn't they be interested in throwing some of their
weight in on this?
Frankly, my wife and I have become so accustomed
to this that we don't even bother to go to the bank or the grocery store
or anywhere else when this happens. Of course, much of this will be made
up for tomorrow, but how much won't be? For example, we won't be going
to the grocery store tomorrow to buy what we were going to by, because
we just dug into the freeze and the cupboards to find something.
Business lost for a grocer there.
And what about those deadliners out there who
meant to pay some bill online on time today, but couldn't and now got
smacked with a late fee? Those late fees also must trickle out of
spending that would contribute to this economy locally.
Did local "day traders" lose money or fail to
make money because they couldn't trade? Even in a county this size,
there must be some losses here to the local economy.
Any real estate deals didn't close today?
Has anyone on this list lost a prospect or a
client because of these issues? Probably not a major issue here, but
every dollar lost here is a dollar not working for this local economy.
The issues here are MUCH larger than the
techie/IT interests of the RTC, really; they probably concern most of
all of the businesses and business in this area.
As for me, fortunately I run a "virtual" office,
and I'm the only one stuck in these situations, so it's not like my
whole business is stopped because of it . . . . but, even just these 4
days of cut fiber issues since last Christmas are enough to make me
relocate to Portland. I can't take it any more. I'm sure there are
others who are seriously weighing whether they should hang in there and
wait, or relocate to somewhere with redundancy. In all honestly, this
isn't the only reason I'm relocating ( air faire would be another major
issue, as well as opportunities for my wife who can't find much in the
way of that here ), but this issue has to have folks thinking about
whether they really want to relocate TO here ( as we did several years
ago ) or about whether they want to relocate FROM here ( as we are doing
now ). None of this could be at all good for the local economy.
It saddens me because I came here with an ethic
of bringing money INTO this economy form outside, but now I'm just going
to have to take that to Portland. But before I go, I'm completely on
board with any serious measures to put pressure on ANY of the "powers
that be" to rally absolutely everyone to the cause of getting some
redundancy up in here ( and I really think we need to "think outside the
box" in terms of getting folks who aren't as Internet-dependent as we
all are to see how it is affecting them and get them on board with the
cause ).
All the best,
-- Sean
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From: list-bounces at redwoodtech.org
[mailto:list-bounces at redwoodtech.org] On Behalf Of CrawfordCA at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:04 PM
To: list at redwoodtech.org
Subject: Re: [RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?
The fiber connection was lost today. The airport
(where I was flying out to Baltimore) was issuing hand written boarding
passes and luggage routing slips. Cell phones couldn't reach outside the
area and most lines when I tried to call in from SFO connect to a
recording announcing "technical difficulties." Oddly, one or two lines
into the area actually worked.
Let's use this as a rallying cry to accelerate
redundant fiber. This is NOT an option. Hughstat, satellite, dial-up and
other back-ups cannot sustain the whole community. This is serious
stuff. Thank goodness the airport learned a few manual workarounds this
time or else connection to air traffic and weather would have grounded
all flights. Our hospitals, first responders and a lot more rely on
connectivity to operate.
Let's "git 'er done."
Chris Crawford
www.justiceserved.com
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In a message dated 10/9/2007 1:27:38 P.M.
Pacific Daylight Time, jspeaker at streamguys.com writes:
Hughsat is keeping our team working.
Strongly suggest it as a stopgap for
those companies that need to stay up for
their clients outside the area, or
here locally.
-jonathan
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From: list-bounces at redwoodtech.org
[mailto:list-bounces at redwoodtech.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Scott
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:11 PM
To: List at redwoodtech.org
Subject: [RTC List] AT&T DSL Outage?
AT&T DSL service has been out in Cutten
since approximately 9 a.m.
this morning. I'm using AT&T's backup
dialup service to post this, so POTS
is still working. Anyone else lose DSL
this morning?
Jim Scott
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