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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007>Welly welly welly
well Chris if you want to get serious, then I would suggest a lawsuit. I
would agree with the googled list and the gripes that those of us have no other
option to do. Take the 500,000 dollars that was just awarded to the RTC/HAF and
hire some lawyers.. havent we done enough studies?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007></SPAN><SPAN
class=531023521-09102007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007>Sue our area providers
for failure to deliver a product and redundancy, sue for lost revenue - sean
makes excellent points- , sue for failure to provide emergency back up, and
sue the companies that keep cutting our fibre lines with the back hoes, sue
caltrans for hiring those contractors...and sue the county for failure to
support a critical infrastructure and sitting on their collective arses.
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007>we could be the first
rural county to sue for access and emergency connectivity.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007>how about slapping the
county commissioners around or local representatives, who troll this
list, to make them understand fibre is the same as bridges and roads,
seaports and airports...</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007>...otherwise, you can put
together another 'write letters to the editor, call your local reps, and
continue this cry of outrage'</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007>As for those that NEED to
continue to do business in this situation, the stop gaps are whats going to keep
those of us doing business, doing business. since we need to keep working
regardless of the infrastructure the county and providers are not providing
for us. And get yourself a generator folks.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007>if I had a better
knowledge of the legal system (which seems to be one of your core competencies)
this is a path I would evaluate, any attorneys out there?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007>-jonathan</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=531023521-09102007>------</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Admittedly, I'm rather a "lurker" on this list . .
. . but I am damned glad that THIS ONE really seems to have everyone's dander
up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>99% of my clients are out of the area, so I
definitely got hurt today . . . . but I think one subject that really
deserves attention in a big way that isn't getting it is the inability to
process credit/debit card transactions when this happens.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There are many ramifications here, and they are
probably larger than the loses those of us who depend upon the Internet
( not to mention long distance phone & cell ) to operate have
incurred -- what of all of the businesses locally who can't do sales
because folks can't use their "electric money"?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For example, how much did Humboldt Merchant
Services lose today over local businesses not being able to process?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How much did big boxes like Target, KMart, &
Costco Wholesale lose? Did Verizon and Sprint lose money because folks couldn't
go over their allotted hours this month or rack up "per use" charges, etc.?
Shouldn't they be interested in throwing some of their weight in on
this?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Frankly, my wife and I have become so
accustomed to this that we don't even bother to go to the bank or the grocery
store or anywhere else when this happens. Of course, much of this will be
made up for tomorrow, but how much won't be? For example, we won't be going to
the grocery store tomorrow to buy what we were going to by, because we just dug
into the freeze and the cupboards to find something. Business lost for a grocer
there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And what about those deadliners out there who meant
to pay some bill online on time today, but couldn't and now got smacked
with a late fee? Those late fees also must trickle out of spending that would
contribute to this economy locally. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did local "day traders" lose money or fail to make
money because they couldn't trade? Even in a county this size, there must be
some losses here to the local economy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any real estate deals didn't close
today?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has anyone on this list lost a prospect or a client
because of these issues? Probably not a major issue here, but every dollar lost
here is a dollar not working for this local economy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The issues here are MUCH larger than the techie/IT
interests of the RTC, really; they probably concern most of all of the
businesses and business in this area.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for me, fortunately I run a "virtual" office,
and I'm the only one stuck in these situations, so it's not like my whole
business is stopped because of it . . . . but, even just these 4 days of cut
fiber issues since last Christmas are enough to make me relocate to Portland. I
can't take it any more. I'm sure there are others who are seriously weighing
whether they should hang in there and wait, or relocate to somewhere with
redundancy. In all honestly, this isn't the only reason I'm relocating
( air faire would be another major issue, as well as opportunities for my
wife who can't find much in the way of that here ), but this issue has to
have folks thinking about whether they really want to relocate TO here ( as
we did several years ago ) or about whether they want to relocate FROM here
( as we are doing now ). None of this could be at all good for the
local economy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It saddens me because I came here with an ethic of
bringing money INTO this economy form outside, but now I'm just going to have to
take that to Portland. But before I go, I'm completely on board with any serious
measures to put pressure on ANY of the "powers that be" to rally absolutely
everyone to the cause of getting some redundancy up in here ( and I really
think we need to "think outside the box" in terms of getting folks who aren't as
Internet-dependent as we all are to see how it is affecting them and get
them on board with the cause ).</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><BR>All the best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>-- Sean</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> list-bounces@redwoodtech.org
[mailto:list-bounces@redwoodtech.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>CrawfordCA@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:04
PM<BR><B>To:</B> list@redwoodtech.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RTC List] [2]
AT&T DSL Outage?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>The fiber connection was lost today. The airport (where I was flying out to
Baltimore) was issuing hand written boarding passes and luggage routing slips.
Cell phones couldn't reach outside the area and most lines when I tried to call
in from SFO connect to a recording announcing "technical difficulties." Oddly,
one or two lines into the area actually worked.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Let's use this as a rallying cry to accelerate redundant fiber. This is NOT
an option. Hughstat, satellite, dial-up and other back-ups cannot sustain
the whole community. This is serious stuff. Thank goodness the airport learned a
few manual workarounds this time or else connection to air traffic and weather
would have grounded all flights. Our hospitals, first responders and a lot more
rely on connectivity to operate.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Let's "git 'er done."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Chris Crawford</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.justiceserved.com">www.justiceserved.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 10/9/2007 1:27:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jspeaker@streamguys.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000>Hughsat is
keeping our team working. Strongly suggest it as a stopgap for<BR>those
companies that need to stay up for their clients outside the area, or<BR>here
locally.<BR><BR>-jonathan <BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
list-bounces@redwoodtech.org [mailto:list-bounces@redwoodtech.org]
On<BR>Behalf Of Jim Scott<BR>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:11 PM<BR>To:
List@redwoodtech.org<BR>Subject: [RTC List] AT&T DSL
Outage?<BR><BR>AT&T DSL service has been out in Cutten since approximately
9 a.m. <BR>this morning. I'm using AT&T's backup dialup service to
post this, so POTS<BR>is still working. Anyone else lose DSL this
morning?<BR><BR>Jim Scott<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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