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Valid point, Jonathan, though we may differ in our feelings about the
directions that elected officials should take with their limited amount
of time available and multitude of tasks. <br><br>
The roads, sewer systems, and such benefit all of us, rich and poor
alike, and would be impractical, if not impossible, for private industry
to create. Perfect applications for government involvement.<br><br>
But a second fiber optic cable benefits few of us (trickle-down theories
aside). But I am one of them, and am willing to do my part. <br><br>
So here's my bottom line. Either socialize internet service and make it
equitably available to all, or let those of us take care of it who need
it to do business or merely want it and can pay for it.<br><br>
Let me clear up one thing, I am absolutely in favor of redundant
connections for our neck of the woods.<br><br>
Jonathan Speaker wrote at 10:05 AM 10/12/2007:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2 color="#0000FF">It
is the sups job to provide leadership...any elected officials... and
government needs to be involved because there is not a lot of private
monies in a place where there is not much of an economy. It is an
infrastructure issue, if we had the population and private industry
dollars to do this, it would have already been done. the roads that you
ride your bike on benefit private industry, so is the toilet that you
probably need to flush a lot.<br>
</font> <br>
<br>
<br>
<font size=2 color="#0000FF">Jonathan<br><br>
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</font><font face="Tahoma" size=2><b>From:</b> Michael Welch
[<a href="mailto:mwelch@redwoodalliance.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:mwelch@redwoodalliance.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 12, 2007 9:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Arkley, Rob; Jonathan Speaker; CrawfordCA@aol.com;
list@redwoodtech.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Fuller, Shirley; letters@times-standard.com;
news@arcataeye.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> The Rob & Cherie Arkley Fiberoptic Cable<br><br>
</font>It's not the Supes job to do this. This benefits private industry,
and private industry should cover it. <br><br>
What a perfect application for your huge amount of wealth. You could even
name it The Arkley Cable.<br><br>
Arkley, Rob wrote at 05:46 AM 10/12/2007:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Dear All,<br>
This outage was a disaster for SN. We lost
a day. The supes are able to change TPZ zoning in a weekend, yet
they do NOTHING on this. I don't get it.<br>
I hate litigation against big
companies/quasi-governmental entities on novel theories. I
seriously doubt if they have any liability. <br>
Can't we get somebody with reason to listen to
us and just fix this? It is a no-brainer. What about just
forming a group and doing it ourselves? <br>
Shirley, what is happening with our
consultant? We paid her and don't have squat to show. Ask for
her to complete her job or get our money back. I will sue her.<br>
<br>
vty,<br>
<br>
Rob <br><br>
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<font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Jonathan Speaker [
<a href="mailto:jspeaker@streamguys.com" eudora="autourl">
mailto:jspeaker@streamguys.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> CrawfordCA@aol.com; list@redwoodtech.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?<br>
</font><br>
Welly welly welly well Chris if you want to get serious, then I would
suggest a lawsuit. I would agree with the googled list and the gripes
that those of us have no other option to do. Take the 500,000 dollars
that was just awarded to the RTC/HAF and hire some lawyers.. havent we
done enough studies?<br>
<br>
Sue our area providers for failure to deliver a product and redundancy,
sue for lost revenue - sean makes excellent points- , sue for failure to
provide emergency back up, and sue the companies that keep cutting our
fibre lines with the back hoes, sue caltrans for hiring those
contractors...and sue the county for failure to support a critical
infrastructure and sitting on their collective arses. <br>
<br>
we could be the first rural county to sue for access and emergency
connectivity.<br>
<br>
how about slapping the county commissioners around or local
representatives, who troll this list, to make them understand fibre is
the same as bridges and roads, seaports and airports...<br>
<br>
...otherwise, you can put together another 'write letters to the editor,
call your local reps, and continue this cry of outrage'<br>
<br>
As for those that NEED to continue to do business in this situation, the
stop gaps are whats going to keep those of us doing business, doing
business. since we need to keep working regardless of the infrastructure
the county and providers are not providing for us. And get yourself a
generator folks.<br>
<br>
if I had a better knowledge of the legal system (which seems to be one of
your core competencies) this is a path I would evaluate, any attorneys
out there?<br>
<br>
-jonathan<br>
<br>
------<br>
<br>
Admittedly, I'm rather a "lurker" on this list . . . . but I am
damned glad that THIS ONE really seems to have everyone's dander up.<br>
<br>
99% of my clients are out of the area, so I definitely got hurt today . .
. . but I think one subject that really deserves attention in a big way
that isn't getting it is the inability to process credit/debit card
transactions when this happens.<br>
<br>
There are many ramifications here, and they are probably larger than the
loses those of us who depend upon the Internet ( not to mention long
distance phone & cell ) to operate have incurred -- what of all of
the businesses locally who can't do sales because folks can't use their
"electric money"?<br>
<br>
For example, how much did Humboldt Merchant Services lose today over
local businesses not being able to process? <br>
<br>
How much did big boxes like Target, KMart, & Costco Wholesale lose?
Did Verizon and Sprint lose money because folks couldn't go over their
allotted hours this month or rack up "per use" charges, etc.?
Shouldn't they be interested in throwing some of their weight in on
this?<br>
<br>
Frankly, my wife and I have become so accustomed to this that we don't
even bother to go to the bank or the grocery store or anywhere else when
this happens. Of course, much of this will be made up for tomorrow, but
how much won't be? For example, we won't be going to the grocery store
tomorrow to buy what we were going to by, because we just dug into the
freeze and the cupboards to find something. Business lost for a grocer
there.<br>
<br>
And what about those deadliners out there who meant to pay some bill
online on time today, but couldn't and now got smacked with a late fee?
Those late fees also must trickle out of spending that would contribute
to this economy locally. <br>
<br>
Did local "day traders" lose money or fail to make money
because they couldn't trade? Even in a county this size, there must be
some losses here to the local economy.<br>
<br>
Any real estate deals didn't close today?<br>
<br>
Has anyone on this list lost a prospect or a client because of these
issues? Probably not a major issue here, but every dollar lost here is a
dollar not working for this local economy.<br>
<br>
The issues here are MUCH larger than the techie/IT interests of the RTC,
really; they probably concern most of all of the businesses and business
in this area.<br>
<br>
As for me, fortunately I run a "virtual" office, and I'm the
only one stuck in these situations, so it's not like my whole business is
stopped because of it . . . . but, even just these 4 days of cut fiber
issues since last Christmas are enough to make me relocate to Portland. I
can't take it any more. I'm sure there are others who are seriously
weighing whether they should hang in there and wait, or relocate to
somewhere with redundancy. In all honestly, this isn't the only reason
I'm relocating ( air faire would be another major issue, as well as
opportunities for my wife who can't find much in the way of that here ),
but this issue has to have folks thinking about whether they really want
to relocate TO here ( as we did several years ago ) or about whether they
want to relocate FROM here ( as we are doing now ). None of this could be
at all good for the local economy.<br>
<br>
It saddens me because I came here with an ethic of bringing money INTO
this economy form outside, but now I'm just going to have to take that to
Portland. But before I go, I'm completely on board with any serious
measures to put pressure on ANY of the "powers that be" to
rally absolutely everyone to the cause of getting some redundancy up in
here ( and I really think we need to "think outside the box" in
terms of getting folks who aren't as Internet-dependent as we all are to
see how it is affecting them and get them on board with the cause
).<br><br>
All the best,<br>
<br>
-- Sean<br>
<br><br>
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<font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> list-bounces@redwoodtech.org [
<a href="mailto:list-bounces@redwoodtech.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:list-bounces@redwoodtech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>CrawfordCA@aol.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> list@redwoodtech.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?<br>
</font><br>
The fiber connection was lost today. The airport (where I was flying out
to Baltimore) was issuing hand written boarding passes and luggage
routing slips. Cell phones couldn't reach outside the area and most lines
when I tried to call in from SFO connect to a recording announcing
"technical difficulties." Oddly, one or two lines into the area
actually worked.<br>
<br>
Let's use this as a rallying cry to accelerate redundant fiber. This is
NOT an option. Hughstat, satellite, dial-up and other back-ups cannot
sustain the whole community. This is serious stuff. Thank goodness the
airport learned a few manual workarounds this time or else connection to
air traffic and weather would have grounded all flights. Our hospitals,
first responders and a lot more rely on connectivity to operate.<br>
<br>
Let's "git 'er done."<br>
<br>
Chris Crawford<br>
<a href="http://www.justiceserved.com">www.justiceserved.com</a><br>
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In a message dated 10/9/2007 1:27:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jspeaker@streamguys.com writes:
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<dd>Hughsat is keeping our team working. Strongly suggest it as a stopgap
for
<dd>those companies that need to stay up for their clients outside the
area, or
<dd>here locally.
<dd>-jonathan
<dd>-----Original Message-----
<dd>From: list-bounces@redwoodtech.org [
<a href="mailto:list-bounces@redwoodtech.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:list-bounces@redwoodtech.org</a>] On
<dd>Behalf Of Jim Scott
<dd>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:11 PM
<dd>To: List@redwoodtech.org
<dd>Subject: [RTC List] AT&T DSL Outage?
<dd>AT&T DSL service has been out in Cutten since approximately 9
a.m.
<dd>this morning. I'm using AT&T's backup dialup service to post
this, so POTS
<dd>is still working. Anyone else lose DSL this morning?
<dd>Jim Scott </blockquote></blockquote>
</dl>The above is the opinion of Michael Welch, and not that of his
employer or any organization that he volunteers for. <br>
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