Rob -<br>This would certainly be something your clout would enhance. RTC has been tooting this horn for quite a while and can only hope that this last outage will make something happen. <br>There is hi-speed internet in Willow Creek and Weaverville, but I don't know if it picks up again until Redding. Sending fiber east would certainly do well to link many rural communities and provide the redundancy that we need to support the cable we have here.<br>Keri Raphael<br><br><br><b><i>"Arkley, Rob" <RArkley@snsc.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-16"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-16"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16525" name="GENERATOR"><div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span
class="777074112-12102007">Dear All,</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"> This outage was a disaster for SN. We lost a day. The supes are able to change TPZ zoning in a weekend, yet they do NOTHING on this. I don't get it.</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"> I hate litigation against big companies/quasi-governmental entities on novel theories. I seriously doubt if they have any liability. </span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"> Can't we get somebody with reason to listen to us and just fix this? It is a no-brainer. What about just forming a group and doing it ourselves? </span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"> Shirley, what is happening with our consultant? We
paid her and don't have squat to show. Ask for her to complete her job or get our money back. I will sue her.</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"> vty,</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span
class="777074112-12102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="777074112-12102007"> Rob </span></div><br> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Jonathan Speaker [mailto:jspeaker@streamguys.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> CrawfordCA@aol.com; list@redwoodtech.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?<br></font><br></div> <div></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007">Welly welly welly well Chris if you want to get serious, then I would suggest
a lawsuit. I would agree with the googled list and the gripes that those of us have no other option to do. Take the 500,000 dollars that was just awarded to the RTC/HAF and hire some lawyers.. havent we done enough studies?</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007"></span><span class="531023521-09102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007">Sue our area providers for failure to deliver a product and redundancy, sue for lost revenue - sean makes excellent points- , sue for failure to provide emergency back up, and sue the companies that keep cutting our fibre lines with the back hoes, sue caltrans for hiring those contractors...and sue the county for failure to support a critical infrastructure and sitting on their collective arses. </span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span
class="531023521-09102007">we could be the first rural county to sue for access and emergency connectivity.</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007">how about slapping the county commissioners around or local representatives, who troll this list, to make them understand fibre is the same as bridges and roads, seaports and airports...</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007">...otherwise, you can put together another 'write letters to the editor, call your local reps, and continue this cry of outrage'</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007">As for those that NEED to continue to do business in this situation, the stop gaps are
whats going to keep those of us doing business, doing business. since we need to keep working regardless of the infrastructure the county and providers are not providing for us. And get yourself a generator folks.</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007">if I had a better knowledge of the legal system (which seems to be one of your core competencies) this is a path I would evaluate, any attorneys out there?</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007">-jonathan</span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007"></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="531023521-09102007">------</span></div> <div> </div> <div> <div><font face="Arial">Admittedly, I'm rather a "lurker" on this list . . . . but I am
damned glad that THIS ONE really seems to have everyone's dander up.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">99% of my clients are out of the area, so I definitely got hurt today . . . . but I think one subject that really deserves attention in a big way that isn't getting it is the inability to process credit/debit card transactions when this happens.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">There are many ramifications here, and they are probably larger than the loses those of us who depend upon the Internet ( not to mention long distance phone & cell ) to operate have incurred -- what of all of the businesses locally who can't do sales because folks can't use their "electric money"?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">For example, how much did Humboldt Merchant Services lose today over local businesses not
being able to process? </font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">How much did big boxes like Target, KMart, & Costco Wholesale lose? Did Verizon and Sprint lose money because folks couldn't go over their allotted hours this month or rack up "per use" charges, etc.? Shouldn't they be interested in throwing some of their weight in on this?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">Frankly, my wife and I have become so accustomed to this that we don't even bother to go to the bank or the grocery store or anywhere else when this happens. Of course, much of this will be made up for tomorrow, but how much won't be? For example, we won't be going to the grocery store tomorrow to buy what we were going to by, because we just dug into the freeze and the cupboards to find something. Business lost for a grocer there.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font
face="Arial">And what about those deadliners out there who meant to pay some bill online on time today, but couldn't and now got smacked with a late fee? Those late fees also must trickle out of spending that would contribute to this economy locally. </font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">Did local "day traders" lose money or fail to make money because they couldn't trade? Even in a county this size, there must be some losses here to the local economy.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">Any real estate deals didn't close today?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">Has anyone on this list lost a prospect or a client because of these issues? Probably not a major issue here, but every dollar lost here is a dollar not working for this local economy.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">The
issues here are MUCH larger than the techie/IT interests of the RTC, really; they probably concern most of all of the businesses and business in this area.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">As for me, fortunately I run a "virtual" office, and I'm the only one stuck in these situations, so it's not like my whole business is stopped because of it . . . . but, even just these 4 days of cut fiber issues since last Christmas are enough to make me relocate to Portland. I can't take it any more. I'm sure there are others who are seriously weighing whether they should hang in there and wait, or relocate to somewhere with redundancy. In all honestly, this isn't the only reason I'm relocating ( air faire would be another major issue, as well as opportunities for my wife who can't find much in the way of that here ), but this issue has to have folks thinking about whether they really want to relocate TO here
( as we did several years ago ) or about whether they want to relocate FROM here ( as we are doing now ). None of this could be at all good for the local economy.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">It saddens me because I came here with an ethic of bringing money INTO this economy form outside, but now I'm just going to have to take that to Portland. But before I go, I'm completely on board with any serious measures to put pressure on ANY of the "powers that be" to rally absolutely everyone to the cause of getting some redundancy up in here ( and I really think we need to "think outside the box" in terms of getting folks who aren't as Internet-dependent as we all are to see how it is affecting them and get them on board with the cause ).</font></div><font face="Arial"> <div><br>All the best,</div> <div> </div> <div>-- Sean</div> <div> </div></font><br></div> <div
class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> list-bounces@redwoodtech.org [mailto:list-bounces@redwoodtech.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>CrawfordCA@aol.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> list@redwoodtech.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RTC List] [2] AT&T DSL Outage?<br></font><br></div> <div></div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial"> <div> <div>The fiber connection was lost today. The airport (where I was flying out to Baltimore) was issuing hand written boarding passes and luggage routing slips. Cell phones couldn't reach outside the area and most lines when I tried to call in from SFO connect to a recording announcing "technical difficulties." Oddly, one or two lines into the area actually worked.</div> <div> </div> <div>Let's use this as a rallying cry to accelerate redundant fiber. This is NOT an option. Hughstat, satellite,
dial-up and other back-ups cannot sustain the whole community. This is serious stuff. Thank goodness the airport learned a few manual workarounds this time or else connection to air traffic and weather would have grounded all flights. Our hospitals, first responders and a lot more rely on connectivity to operate.</div> <div> </div> <div>Let's "git 'er done."</div> <div> </div> <div>Chris Crawford</div> <div><a href="http://www.justiceserved.com">www.justiceserved.com</a></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>``````````````````````````````````</div> <div>In a message dated 10/9/2007 1:27:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jspeaker@streamguys.com writes:</div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000" face="Arial">Hughsat is keeping our team working. Strongly suggest it as a stopgap for<br>those companies that need to stay up for their
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